Friday, April 13, 2018

Visitors to Cumorah never learn what the prophets have taught

Church members find it difficult to believe that the Visitors Center on Temple Square still teaches the Mesoamerican/two-Cumorahs theory (M2C). If you don't live in Utah or haven't visited Temple Square lately, you can see this for yourself here:
http://bookofmormonwars.blogspot.com/2016/12/yes-they-do-teach-two-cumorahs-theory.html

While it's ridiculous for the Temple Square Visitors Center to teach M2C (so much for the so-called neutrality policy), what's happening at the Hill Cumorah Visitors Center near Palmyra, New York, is even worse.

I've been here in Palmyra for the last few days. (We have a house here.) I stood on the hill Cumorah yesterday, in fact, watching the sunset. It was an awesome sight--the same one Mormon and Moroni had when they saw the Lamanites in the distance, preparing for the final battle that would extinguish the Nephite nation.

And yet, most of the visitors here have no idea of what happened.

Visitors to Cumorah never learn what the prophets have taught. 

At least, not in the Visitors Centers.

Grandin print shop M2C display
Even in the Grandin Print shop, where the first copies of the Book of Mormon were printed, visitors are taught M2C.

Look at this display. It shows Mormon abridging the records in Mesoamerica. The message of this artwork is specific and unmistakable: Mormon lived in Mesoamerica, Moroni had to haul the plates 3,400 miles all the way to New York State.

If you look closely, you'll see Mormon inside a Mayan temple or building, with Mayan war implements, Mayan animal skins, etc. The fact that this painting is on display this way in Palmyra is a direct repudiation of what Joseph and Oliver taught about the Hill Cumorah in New York.

Hill Cumorah Visitors Center
Then you go to the Hill Cumorah Visitors Center itself. The entire Visitors Center teaches M2C, with not a word about what the prophets have actually taught about Cumorah.

One wonders why the Correlation Department allows them to still call it the Hill Cumorah. After all, according to the M2C intellectuals, including the staff in the Correlation Department, Joseph Smith never called the hill "Cumorah." Instead, he passively adopted a false tradition started by someone else.

As if.

Look at this display in the rotunda. It features a statue of Christ, which is wonderful. On the side behind us, there is a painting of Christ in ancient Israel.

Christ asking for the Nephites' records
But look at the painting in front of us here.

This is not Christ visiting his "other sheep" somewhere in the world.

This is the infamous painting of Christ asking the Nephites for their records during his visit to them. It is fully, 100%, M2C.

This blatant display of M2C, according to the Correlation Department, reflects the so-called "neutrality" policy.

IOW, the Correlation Department is neutral about Book of Mormon geography so long as you
(i) display, teach and advocate M2C and
(ii) never mention what the prophets have actually taught about the New York Cumorah.
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This summer, visitors to Cumorah are going to have an opportunity to learn what the prophets have actually taught about the Hill Cumorah, starting with President Cowdery's Letter VII.

It's going to be an interesting summer, for sure.



Thursday, April 12, 2018

Question marks or exclamation points?

Whenever you read about Book of Mormon geography, ask yourself whether the proponent puts a question mark or an exclamation point after the words of the prophets. The contrast between the M2C* intellectuals and the prophets is stark.

In General Conference two weeks ago, Elder Neil L. Andersen of the Twelve made this observation:

Elder Neil L. Andersen, April 2018 General Conference
Some will try to overly dissect the prophet’s words, struggling to determine what is his prophetic voice and what is his personal opinion.
In 1982, two years before being called as a General Authority, Brother Russell M. Nelson said: “I never ask myself, ‘When does the prophet speak as a prophet and when does he not?’ My interest has been, ‘How can I be more like him?’” And he added, “My [philosophy is to] stop putting question marks behind the prophet’s statements and put exclamation points instead.”
https://www.lds.org/general-conference/2018/04/the-prophet-of-god?lang=eng

The basic premise of M2C is that the prophets and apostles who have taught that Cumorah is in New York were merely expressing their "personal opinions" and were wrong. 

The M2C intellectuals at BYU, CES, and the Church History and Correlation Departments not only put question marks after the teachings of the prophets and apostles, but they try to censor their words entirely. That's also what the M2C citation cartel** does.

Apply the question mark vs exclamation point test to everything you read about Book of Mormon geography. Recall that the prophets have consistently taught two things:

1. There is one hill Cumorah and it is in New York!
2. We don't know for sure where the rest of the events took place!

It is up to each of us as individuals to determine for ourselves how best to apply these teachings.

In my view, the first question anyone should ask when assessing someone's idea of Book of Mormon geography is whether it puts Cumorah in New York or someplace else. Any geography that puts Cumorah someplace else is also putting a question mark after the teachings of the prophets.

Readers of this blog know that I think Moroni's America sets out the most plausible geography, based on the text, the teachings of the prophets, and relevant geology, geography, anthropology, and archaeology. But I'm fine with any proposed geography that puts an exclamation point after the teachings of the prophets.
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Here are some examples. Do you put an exclamation point after the teachings of the prophets, or do you put a question mark the way BYU, CES, the Church History and Correlation Departments, and the M2C citation cartel do?

! Letter VII: 

At about one mile west [of the Hill Cumorah in New York] rises another ridge of less height, running parallel with the former, leaving a beautiful vale between. The soil is of the first quality for the country, and under a state of cultivation, which gives a prospect at once imposing, when one reflects on the fact, that here, between these hills, the entire power and national strength of both the Jaredites and Nephites were destroyed.  



? BYU Fantasy map:

Book of Mormon classes at BYU, which every incoming student must take, teach the students that the prophets were wrong about the Hill Cumorah in New York.

Instead, students learn Book of Mormon geography by using this fantasy map. BYU professors teach students that the M2C intellectuals know more than the prophets about where Cumorah is.

Many BYU professors go beyond this fantasy map and actively teach M2C.


! President Marion G. Romney, General Conference, October 1975

In the western part of the state of New York near Palmyra is a prominent hill known as the “hill Cumorah.” (Morm. 6:6.) On July twenty-fifth of this year, as I stood on the crest of that hill admiring with awe the breathtaking panorama which stretched out before me on every hand, my mind reverted to the events which occurred in that vicinity some twenty-five centuries ago—events which brought to an end the great Jaredite nation....

This second civilization to which I refer, the Nephites, flourished in America between 600 B.C. and A.D. 400. Their civilization came to an end for the same reason, at the same place, and in the same manner as did the Jaredites’...

Now my beloved brethren and sisters everywhere, both members of the Church and nonmembers, I bear you my personal witness that I know that the things I have presented to you today are true—both those pertaining to past events and those pertaining to events yet to come. 

https://www.lds.org/general-conference/1975/10/americas-destiny?lang=eng

? CES fantasy map 

Students in Seminary and Institute are taught that the prophets were wrong about the New York Cumorah.

All around the world, in every language, CES requires students to use this fantasy map that shows Cumorah is anywhere but in New York.

There are plenty more examples of question marks within the Church. As we've seen, the problem is even more extensive than BYU and CES.

The Visitors Centers teach M2C.

The Correlation Department teaches M2C.

The Church History Department teaches M2C.

The citation cartel teaches M2C.

Ultimately, of course, it doesn't matter what the employees in these Church-affiliated organizations do. We each make our own choices. No prophet has ever taught that we should follow the teachings of the intellectuals in the Church instead of the teachings of the prophets.

Elder Andersen was pretty clear on what is going on with BYU, CES, and the various Departments in the Church:

Some will try to overly dissect the prophet’s words, struggling to determine what is his prophetic voice and what is his personal opinion.

The most important thing for each of us to consider is whether we, as individuals, put exclamation points or question marks after the teachings of the prophets.
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*M2C is the acronym for Mesoamerican/two-Cumorahs theory.
**The M2C citation cartel includes Book of Mormon Central, FairMormon, BMAF, the Interpreter, BYU Studies, Meridian Magazine, the Deseret News, the Neal A. Maxwell Institute, etc.



Monday, April 9, 2018

Two conferences compared

On March 21 I previewed two Book of Mormon conferences.
https://bookofmormonwars.blogspot.com/2018/03/upcoming-bomc-conference-to-promote-m2c.html

Both conferences recorded many if not all of the presentations. I hope they both make their respective presentations available online so everyone in the world can compare for themselves. If they do, I'll post links in this blog.

In the meantime, here are my observations.
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The Book of Mormon Evidence conference lived up to its name, providing an abundance of evidence of the divine authenticity of the Book of Mormon. The conference exceeded expectations, with dozens of speakers on diverse topics that represented a variety of views and approaches, with speakers from diverse backgrounds (religious and cultural). There were six concurrent presentations from 9 am to 9 pm. The biggest problem was handling the crowds. Safety rules limited seating in some of the rooms and sessions had overflow. At least one added a second session over lunch, which was also full.

The conference was lively, spiritual, informative, intellectual, and motivational. Everyone I saw was having a great time, taking notes, asking lots of questions. Speakers took live questions from the audience, even during their presentations. There was a Board Room where audiences could meet with speakers after each presentation. I spent over two hours in the Board Room after one of my presentations, engaged in answering questions and having wonderful discussions.
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The Book of Mormon Central America conference was about as stark a contrast as I've ever seen. I really like the participants on a personal level, but that makes the Mesomania psychology that causes them to promote M2C (the Mesoamerican/two-Cumorahs theory) all the more sad.

The conference was well organized, with slick technology, but there were only 8 30-minute individual presentations, plus a year-in-review and an award, for a total of about 5 hours of material. This did not even measure up to one hour at the Evidences conference (with 6 simultaneous events every hour).

Obviously, 30 minutes leaves little time to develop a message, but from what I saw, presenters had barely 30 minutes worth of material anyway. In fact, in 30 minutes, they still had some time for questions. BTW, they didn't allow open mikes; questions had to be submitted on cards (which allows screening, of course). This contributed to the antiseptic feel of the conference, and I couldn't tell why they were so afraid of an open mike, since there were only a few hundred people in the audience, probably about 99% of whom have been completely indoctrinated (brainwashed) to believe M2C. (I say 99% because in addition to me, I suspect there were at least 3-4 other people who see through the M2C smokescreen, but I can't be sure of that.)

Even with such low attendance, there was no Board Room opportunity to question the speakers on a personal level. The presentations were academic and intellectual, but sterile, as I'll explain in a moment.

Book of Mormon Central America once M2C
runs into the teachings of the prophets
Book of Mormon Central America (https://bookofmormoncentral.org/) is really nothing more than an elaborate, high-tech vehicle for bias confirmation. Attendees and presenters were trying to reassure one another that yes, M2C is "true" in some sense.

To anyone outside the Mesomania bubble, it is obvious that Book of Mormon Central America is desperately trying to keep afloat the leaky boat of M2C.

Worse, they actually think their boat is an invincible battleship instead of the Titanic it is.


If anyone questions that metaphor, you should have attended the conference. Watch the videos of the presentations for yourself when they're available and you'll see what I mean.

Book of Mormon Central America so highly insecure about M2C that they censor alternative perspectives. Just compare this blog, which freely and frequently links to BOMC and other members of the M2C citation cartel, with the things they publish and post. They studiously avoid any ideas that contradict, or even question, M2C. That's why you will never read the teachings of the prophets and apostles about the Hill Cumorah on Book of Mormon Central America. They don't allow diversity of thought (apart from the ongoing and absurd dispute about which river in Mesoamerica is the Sidon).
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The first presentation was a review of 2017's activities by Book of Mormon Central America. The accomplishments consisted mainly of adding to the archive, developing some virtual reality "experiences," posting more KnoWhys, attracting social media participation, and publishing the Knowing Why book (reviewed here https://bookofmormonwars.blogspot.com/2017/11/knowing-why-bomc-censors-north-american.html).

The one accomplishment they forgot to mention is how many LDS (and potential investigators) they persuaded to disbelieve the prophets. 

By now, we all realize M2C is entirely dependent on the idea that the prophets and apostles were merely expressing their opinions about the New York Cumorah, and they were wrong because the M2C scholars know better than the prophets and apostles.

I can't tell if the young people who are helping to promote M2C at this conference realize what they are doing, because most LDS people below age 30 have no idea what the prophets have actually taught. But certainly the management of Book of Mormon Central America knows what they're doing. They're deliberately asserting their intellectual superiority over the teachings of the prophets.

I did my own review of Book of Mormon Central America's activity here:
https://bookofmormonwars.blogspot.com/2017/11/knowing-why-bomc-censors-north-american.html

I didn't attend the Roper/Fields presentation because I've seen their work many times and commented on it plenty already. It's always pure confirmation bias because they refuse to make their methods, database and software publicly available. In this case, I agree with their bias that the Book of Mormon had multiple ancient authors, so I didn't need further confirmation. I spent the time visiting the exhibits.

After the break, Brother Mark Wright, a very personable, fun and bright guy, did a presentation titled "In the Fields and in the Forests": Mesoamerican Ecology and Cosmology in the Book of Mormon

Looking back, I was astonished at how accurate my prediction was:

"This will be interesting and informative because Brother Wright is an excellent presenter, but it will be just another example of illusory correspondences between the Mayans and the Book of Mormon. Brother Wright has been one of the most reasonable and rational M2C promoters, but, IIRC, he's one who has said he "can't unsee" Mesoamerica in the Book of Mormon, and that bias is evident in his work."

I couldn't tell whether Brother Wright realized he actually made my argument during his presentation.

He spoke about religious syncretism, which is term for incorporating one religious tradition or belief into another (or the fusion/blending of two or more religious beliefs into a new system). His thesis, as I understood it, was that Nephite Christianity was incorporated by the Mayans into their religious beliefs and traditions that existed before Lehi landed. He gave as examples the early Christian use of Greek gods to avoid persecution.

That example alone suggested that religious syncretism is a common human practice. No need to get very academic about it; even Wikipedia gives plenty more examples (including the "Latter Day Saint movement").

I think we can all agree that human societies incorporate many ideas into their beliefs and traditions. We wouldn't expect the Mayans to be any different. But does that mean they incorporated the Nephites' law of Moses and Christianity?

There is zero evidence of that. Instead, the M2C promoters offer evidence of similarities or "correspondences" between Mayan culture and the M2C interpretation of the text.

Mayan culture is definitely interesting, but it has nothing to do with the Book of Mormon. The "parallels" cited to support M2C and thereby repudiate LDS prophets are illusory because similar parallels can be found (or imagined) between the Book of Mormon and every human culture throughout time and throughout the world. 

The Mayans, like most human cultures, had gods that represented various aspects of creation, sacrifice (including blood sacrifice), death and resurrection, etc. There are variations among cultures, but these elements are ubiquitous. E.g., http://www.deathreference.com/Py-Se/Sacrifice.html.

I'd be interested if anyone can find a human culture anywhere in time or space that doesn't have "correspondences" to what the Book of Mormon text describes. In fact, it's that universal quality that makes it possible for people of every culture to "liken the scriptures to themselves."

But that is no reason (or excuse) to reject the teachings of the prophets about the New York Cumorah.
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I'll have more to say about the conferences later this week.


Friday, April 6, 2018

Firm Foundation Conference

The conference has been wonderful.

http://firmfoundationexpo.org/schedule/

Every session I have attended for the last two days has been excellent, and there were many I couldn't attend because so many are offered at the same time. Lots of good questions from the audiences as well.

Saturday promises to be just as good as Thursday and Friday.

And kids really enjoy the Zelph Zone.


Tuesday, April 3, 2018

How the Correlation Department promotes M2C

Many people want to know why the Brethren don't formally address the issue of Book of Mormon geography. My answer: they have. They've addressed it for over 160 years. They've consistently made two points:

1. The Hill Cumorah of Mormon 6:6 is in New York.
2. We don't know the details of the rest of the geography.*

The Brethren are not obligated to respond to every academic theory that arises, especially when the record is as clear as it is regarding the New York Cumorah. How many more times would the Brethren have to reiterate these teachings before the intellectuals would accept them? 

As lawyers say, the question of Cumorah has been "asked and answered."

However, certain LDS intellectuals refuse to accept the answer. The influence of these intellectuals is pervasive and growing in the Church. In this blog we've documented many examples, but today we're going to look at the Correlation Department.**

Until we LDS unite around the prophets' teachings about the New York Cumorah, confusion will persist, to the detriment of missionary, retention and activation work.
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Many people think the Church's official policy on Book of Mormon geography is neutrality. But in reality, we all know that Church-produced materials, visitors center displays, media, artwork, curriculum, etc. all depict the Mesoamerican/two-Cumorahs theory (M2C). The April 2018 Ensign is merely the latest example.

How do we explain this contradiction between what the prophets have taught and what we see everywhere?

The Correlation Department thinks this: 
M2C = neutrality! 

That's why the Department requires that Church-produced materials, displays, media, etc. always depict the Book of Mormon in Mesoamerica and forbids any mention of the New York Cumorah. 

That's why we have M2C on full display at the visitors center on Temple Square, M2C causing the History Department to rewrite Church history, M2C on prominent display at the MTC, in the illustrations in the Book of Mormon, etc.

To be sure, the Correlation Department doesn't care what I have to say. Nor do the other Church departments. This blog post will make no difference as far as the promotion of M2C, but I hope it will help readers understand why we see M2C everywhere in the Church.

Plus, there's no doubt the Correlation Department employees think they are doing the right thing. Most if not all of them have been taught M2C at BYU/CES. We infer from the document we'll discuss below that they don't even know what the prophets have actually taught. No one who has been educated by BYU/CES in recent years knows what the prophets have taught about Cumorah. We infer they don't know because we don't believe that they would intentionally misrepresent those teachings, even though the document itself does exactly that.
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If you write to Church headquarters and ask about Cumorah and/or Book of Mormon geography, your letter will go to the Correlation Department for a response. They have a standard letter they send out, accompanied by a document titled "Prophetic Statements on BOM Geography." I've had multiple people share this with me and I've addressed the issues for years on this blog.

Today we will discuss the actual document to save time for those who are thinking about writing to the Church about your concerns about the M2C intellectuals.

If you do write such a letter, the Correlation Department will tell you that:

1. Some Church leaders "have made suggestions" about Book of Mormon geography,
2. The First Presidency has not definitely revealed the precise locations of the geography, and
3. The geography doesn't matter anyway.

Let's briefly look at the evidence and you can decide for yourself whether these claims are accurate or if they are misleading because they cleverly use partial truths to obfuscate important historical facts.

1. Suggestions. It's true that some Church leaders have made suggestions about Book of Mormon geography. But those suggestions all involve geography questions other than Cumorah.

Regarding Cumorah, Church leaders have consistently and specifically taught the fact, as Letter VII declared, that Cumorah (Mormon 6:6) is in New York. The Correlation Department never tells people about these teachings and doesn't allow these teachings to be included in lesson manuals, visitors centers, Church magazines (except Conference reports), Church artwork, etc. Even the Visitors Center at the Hill Cumorah in New York teaches M2C.

Regarding the rest of Book of Mormon geography, Church leaders have consistently and specifically taught that we don't know for sure where the other events took place. And yet, the Correlation Department insists that all Church-produced material depict Mesoamerica.

The Department is conflating these two points to justify its promotion of M2C throughout the Church. IOW, it is promoting M2C by implementing technique 3 as discussed here:
http://bookofmormonwars.blogspot.com/2018/03/technique-3-causing-confusion-by.html

2. The First Presidency. The First Presidency in 1835 consisted of Joseph Smith, President; Oliver Cowdery, Assistant President; Sidney Rigdon, First Counselor; and Frederick G. Williams, Second Counselor. President Cowdery wrote a series of eight essays, published as letters, with the assistance of Joseph Smith. Part of Letter I is canonized in the Pearl of Great Price. Letter VII declares it is a fact that the Hill Cumorah of Mormon 6:6 is the same hill from which Joseph obtained the plates.

Joseph had his scribes copy it into his personal history (fortunately for us, because now it's in the Joseph Smith Papers and even the Correlation Department can't erase it from there).

The first scribe to copy these essays into Joseph's history was President Williams. Joseph Smith personally approved and directed the republication of these essays in every Church-related publication of his time. President Rigdon is also on record as having no objection to the republication of these essays. Thus, Letter VII originated with the First Presidency and, despite relatively little documentation from that period of Church history, we do have records that all members of the First Presidency approved these essays.

No First Presidency since has ever revoked, repudiated, or even questioned Letter VII.

Instead, members of the First Presidency have specifically taught the New York Cumorah--including in General Conference.

Here are a few examples of how the First Presidency has been involved with teaching the New York Cumorah.

In 1905, the First Presidency asked James E. Talmage to write the book that became Jesus the Christ. Elder Talmage wrote the book in the Salt Lake Temple. The desk he used is on display at the Church History Library in Salt Lake City. The Church owns the copyright and published the book. It contains this statement about Cumorah:

For many decades the Nephites retreated before their aggressive foes, making their way north-eastward through what is now the United States. About 400 A.D. the last great battle was fought near the hill Cumorah; and the Nephite nation became extinct. The degenerate remnant of Lehi's posterity, the Lamanites or American Indians, have continued until this day. Moroni, the last of the Nephite prophets, hid away the record of his people in the hill Cumorah, whence it has been brought forth by divine direction in the current dispensation.... Joseph's father instructed him to obey the messenger's instructions and testified that they were given of God. Joseph then went to the locality specified by the angel, on the side of a hill called in the record Cumorah,

The index reads:

Cumorah, scene of last Nephite battle, 742; 
  Book of Mormon plates taken from, 767.

You can read the book here: http://www.gutenberg.org/files/22542/22542-h/22542-h.htm

Elder Talmage also wrote Articles of Faith (also published by the Church) in which he specifically distinguished between the certainty about the New York Cumorah and the uncertainty about the rest of Book of Mormon geography. I discussed this here:
http://bookofmormonwars.blogspot.com/2018/01/speculation-vs-certainty-james-talmage.html

In 1943, the First Presidency (Heber J. Grant, J. Reuben Clark, David O. McKay) approved a book for members of the military titled Principles of the Gospel. it contains this statement on p. 92:

"This record, engraved upon plates of gold, was deposited about 420 A.D. by Moroni, the last of these ancient prophets, inside a stone box, in a hill located in the western part of the State of New York, and which was called by the Nephites, Cumorah . . . . "

In 1980, the entire First Presidency signed off on a letter that affirmed the New York Cumorah by stating, "The Church has long maintained, as attested to by references in the writings of General Authorities, that the Hill Cumorah in western New York state is the same as referenced in the Book of Mormon." The Correlation Department will never tell people about this letter, but it is widely available online, such as here.

Why does the Correlation Department never tell people about these and other teachings about Cumorah related to the First Presidency? The only answer that is consistent with everything else the Department does is because these statements contradict M2C.

3. What matters. The Correlation Department says the geography doesn't matter, but the statements they provide involve (i) comparative importance and (ii) geography other than Cumorah (with one exception that I address below).

Everyone agrees that the spiritual message of the Book of Mormon is more important than the geography, but that doesn't mean the geography is unimportant.

The logical fallacy (the Department's argument that if something is less important than something else, then it is unimportant) is apparent when we consider what Joseph Smith taught about relative importance.

The fundamental principles of our religion is the testimony of the apostles and prophets concerning Jesus Christ, “that he died, was buried, and rose again the third day, and ascended up into heaven;” and all other things are only appendages to these, which pertain to our religion. But in connection with these, we believe in the gift of the Holy Ghost, the power of faith, the enjoyment of the spiritual gifts according to the will of God, the restoration of the house of Israel, and the final triumph of truth.

http://www.josephsmithpapers.org/paper-summary/elders-journal-july-1838/12

Everything in the Church is less important than the Resurrection and Atonement of the Savior, but that doesn't mean other things in the Church are unimportant.

Besides, if the Correlation Department really thought the geography doesn't matter, it would not suppress Letter VII. It would at least occasionally approve Church-produced materials that support the teachings of the prophets about the New York Cumorah instead of only allowing materials that repudiate the prophets and support M2C.

But M2C is so deeply believed by Church employees in the Correlation Department that they either (i) don't know about Letter VII and what the prophets have taught or (ii) don't want members to even know about these teachings. Either way, the Correlation Department makes sure that Letter VII cannot be published, depicted or even quoted in Church materials. Nor can the many teachings of the prophets regarding the New York Cumorah.

It turns out that, for the Correlation Department, geography matters a great deal. That's why they promote M2C extensively throughout Church curriculum, visitors centers, artwork, etc. The Correlation Department also makes sure the Church History and Missionary departments also promote M2C. And that's how we end up with BYU/CES teaching students that the Book of Mormon took place in a fantasy world.
http://bookofmormonwars.blogspot.com/2018/01/getting-real-about-cumorah-part-2.html
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I mentioned recently that Joseph Smith himself recognized the importance of actual evidence when he recounted "the history of the Book of Mormon" while passing through Ohio, Indiana, and Illinois, which he said were "the plains of the Nephites." He described "roving over the mounds of that once beloved people of the Lord, picking up their skulls & their bones, as a proof of its divine authenticity."***

On another occasion, President Cowdery responded to reports that the Latter-day Saints disbelieved the Bible. He wrote, "We believe that sacred record from the evidence we have of its divine authenticity, and because we believe it a consistent book, when taken in its true meaning." (Messenger and Advocate, October 1836, p. 385).

Evidence to support the divine authenticity of the Bible was just as important as evidence to support the divine authenticity of the Book of Mormon.

Joseph thought "proof of its divine authenticity" was important during his lifetime, so why would it not be important now?

The answer may be as simple as this: because the M2C intellectuals have persuaded so many people that the "best evidence" of the Book of Mormon is M2C, which contradicts the teachings of the prophets, the Correlation Department diverts attention from the issue, conflates Cumorah with the rest of the geography, and suppresses the actual teachings of the prophets about the New York Cumorah.

M2C prevails only in an environment of ignorance and disbelief of the prophets.

This is the fulfillment of President Joseph Fielding Smith's warning that M2C would cause members of the Church to become confused and disturbed in their faith in the Book of Mormon.
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Below is the Correlation Department's document (in blue), accompanied by my comments (in black). I've seen various versions of this document, but this includes the quotations they send to people who ask about the New York Cumorah. As you read this, consider whether this document educates people about the teachings of the prophets regarding the New York Cumorah.

Prophetic Statements on BOM Geography

President Russell M. Nelson
"I would like to add my testimony of the divinity of this book. I have read it many times. I have also read much that has been written about it. Some authors have focused upon its stories, its people, or its vignettes of history. Others have been intrigued by its language structure or its records of weapons, geography, animal life, techniques of building, or systems of weights and measures.

Interesting as these matters may be, study of the Book of Mormon is most rewarding when one focuses on its primary purpose—to testify of Jesus Christ. By comparison, all other issues are incidental."  [Ensign, November 1999, 69.]

We all agree with President Nelson about the hierarchy of importance; the spiritual message is far more important than other messages. All the prophets and apostles have made that point in one way or another. It's a given.

Joseph Smith recognized this truth as well, but he also spoke about physical evidence in Ohio as proof of the divine authenticity of the Book of Mormon. Notice, President Nelson said these other issues are incidental by comparison. That doesn't mean they are unimportant.

Sometimes we read Moroni 10:3-5 and stop there--but Moroni did not stop with verse 5. Most active members of the Church have a spiritual testimony of the truthfulness of the Book of Mormon. They are self-selected into activity because they have the gift of "exceedingly great faith" (verse 11). Moroni assured us that "by the power of the Holy Ghost [we] may know the truth of all things," but he never said that there is only one way the Holy Ghost teaches us. Instead, Moroni exhorted us not to deny the gifts of God. Not everyone has the gift of "exceedingly great faith." Others have the gift of knowledge, or wisdom, tongues, etc. Hence the importance, as Joseph taught, of "proof of its divine authenticity."

President Gordon B. Hinckley
The evidence for its [BOM] truth, for its validity in a world that is prone to demand evidence, lies not in archaeology or anthropology, though these may be helpful to some. It lies not in word research or historical analysis, though these may be confirmatory. The evidence for its truth and validity lies within the covers of the book itself. The test of its truth lies in reading it. It is a book of God. Reasonable men may sincerely question its origin; but those who have read it prayerfully have come to know by a power beyond their natural senses that it is true, that it contains the word of God, that it outlines saving truths of the everlasting gospel, that it came forth by the gift and power of God “to the convincing of the Jew and Gentile that Jesus is the Christ. (Book of Mormon title page.) (Ensign, November 1984, 52)

President Hinckley here noted that evidence "may be helpful to some." This is the point Joseph made when crossing Ohio and teaching the Brethren how the mounds were proof of the divine authenticity of the Book of Mormon. It's the same point that Moroni makes when he reminds us there are many gifts of God.

President Harold B. Lee
Some say the Hill Cumorah was in southern Mexico (and someone pushed it down still farther) and not in western New York. Well, if the Lord wanted us to know where it was or where Zarahemla was, He’d have given us latitude and longitude, don’t you think? And why bother our heads trying to discover with archaeological certainty the geographical locations of the cities of the Book of Mormon like Zarahemla?
The witness of the Book of Mormon is not found in the ruins of Central and South America. They may be outward evidences of a people long since disappeared. The real witness is that which is found in the Book of Mormon itself. [The Teachings of Harold B. Lee, 155- 156.]

This is my favorite out-of-context quotation. FairMormon also quotes it out of context. (I wonder if FairMormon provided these quotations to the Correlation Department or vice versa.) 

President (then Elder) Lee gave this obscure talk in 1966 in a private meeting with Church educators. As such, it hardly compares with the definitive declarations about the New York Cumorah delivered by President Lee's own Counselor in the First Presidency, President Marion G. Romney, in General Conference in 1975. Yet instead of presenting President Romney's General Conference address, the Correlation Department scoured its sources to come up with this little-known, private comment by Elder Lee in 1966.

Worse, when read in context, we see that Elder Lee listed the Mesoamerican Cumorah among three other false doctrines the educators were teaching. You can see my more detailed analysis here: http://bookofmormonwars.blogspot.com/2017/10/fairmormons-famous-harold-b-lee.html 

President Howard W. Hunter
Faith is required for a divine reason. Faith is the assurance of the existence of a truth even though it is not evident or cannot be proved by positive evidence. Suppose that all things could be proven by demonstrative evidence. What then would become of the element of faith? There would be no need for faith and it would be eliminated, giving rise then to this query: If faith is the first step or principle of the gospel and is eliminated, what happens to the gospel plan? The very foundation will crumble. I submit that there is a divine reason why all things cannot be proven by concrete evidence. [Ensign, May 1975, 38.]

Everyone agrees with this. No one is arguing that "all things" about the Book of Mormon can be proven by demonstrative evidence. But some things can be, and the New York Cumorah is one of them.

President Cowdery and Joseph Smith wrote Letter VII specifically to respond to claims that the Book of Mormon was fiction. They declared it was a fact, a term that defines "a thing that is indisputably the case." Knowing that Cumorah is in New York does not eliminate the need for faith, any more than knowing Jerusalem is in Israel removes the need for faith. Not a single one of the Brethren who have taught the New York Cumorah for decades thought that fact would remove the need for faith.

But knowing the fact that Cumorah is in New York supports faith and eliminates confusion among believers at least regarding that one fact. That's why it is so important today for all Latter-day Saints to accept the teachings of the prophets about the New York Cumorah.

President George Q. Cannon 
There is a tendency, strongly manifested . . . among some of the brethren, to study the geography of the Book of Mormon. . . . We are greatly pleased to notice the . . . interest taken by the Saints in this holy book. . . . But valuable as is the Book of Mormon both in doctrine and history, yet it is possible to put this sacred volume to uses for which it was never intended, uses which are detrimental rather than advantageous to the cause of truth, and consequently to the work of the Lord. . . .   

The brethren who lecture on the lands of the Nephites or the geography of the Book of Mormon are not united in their conclusions. No two of them, so far as we have learned, are agreed on all points, and in many cases the variations amount to tens of thousands of miles. These differences of views lead to discussion, contention and perplexity; and we believe more confusion is caused by these divergences than good is done by the truths elicited. 
   
How is it that there is such a variety of ideas of this subject? Simply because the Book of Mormon is not a geographical primer. It was not written to teach geographical truths. What is told us of the situation of the various lands or cities of the ancient Jaredites, Nephites and Lamanites is usually simply an incidental remark connected with the doctrinal or historical portions of the work and almost invariably only extends to a statement of the relative position of some land or city to contiguous or surrounding places and nowhere gives us the exact situation or boundaries so that it can be definitely located without fear of error.  
  
It must be remembered that geography as a science, like chronology and other branches of education, was not understood or taught after the manner or by the methods of the moderns. It could not be amongst those peoples who were not acquainted with the size and form of the earth, as was the case with most of the nations of antiquity, though not with the Nephites. Their Seers and Prophets appear to have received divine light on this subject. 
   
The First Presidency have often been asked to prepare some suggestive map illustrative of Nephite geography but have never consented to do so. Nor are we acquainted with any of the Twelve Apostles who would undertake such a task. The reason is that without further information they are not prepared even to suggest. The word of the Lord or the translation of other ancient records is required to clear up many points now so obscure that, as we have said, no two original investigators agree with regard to them. . . .    

For these reasons we have strong objections to the introduction of maps and their circulation among our people which profess to give the location of the Nephite cities and settlements. As we have said, they have a tendency to mislead instead of enlighten, and they give rise to discussions which will lead to division of sentiment and be very unprofitable. We see no necessity for maps of this character, because, at least, much would be left to the imagination of those who prepare them; and we hope that there will be no attempt made to introduce them or give them general circulation.   

Of course, there can be no harm result from the study of the geography of this continent at the time it was settled by the Nephites, drawing all the information possible from the record which has been translated for our benefit. But beyond this we do not think it necessary, at the present time, to go, because it is plain to be seen, we think, that evils may result therefrom. (Jan. 1, 1890, JI 18-19) (Gospel Truth, 476-477)

President Cannon's discussion relates directly to the non-New York Cumorah geography. We've already seen that the Brethren have been clear and specific about this; i.e., that apart from the New York Cumorah, we don't have any specific, unambiguous information about other Book of Mormon sites.

In fact, President Cannon noted the confusion that arises by the divergences of opinions, but all of them were at least based on the New York Cumorah. Today we see that there is even more confusion than there was in President Cannon's day. It is the Correlation Department itself that is fostering this confusion among the Saints by suppressing and censoring the teachings of the prophets about the New York Cumorah.

I addressed President Cannon's comments in more detail here:
http://bookofmormonwars.blogspot.com/2018/02/getting-real-about-cumorah-part-5c.html

President Joseph F. Smith
A Book of Mormon geography conference was held at Brigham Young Academy on May 23-24, 1903 President Joseph F. Smith gave the following counsel regarding the discussion on the location of Zarahemla:

"President Smith spoke briefly, and expressed the idea that the situation [location] of the city [of Zarahemla] was one of interest certainly, but if it could not be located the matter was not of vital importance, and if there were differences of opinion on the question it would not affect the salvation of the people; and he advised against students considering it of such vital importance as the principles of the Gospel." (Deseret Evening News, May 25, 1903, 7)

Note: The present associate editor of The Instructor was one day in the office of the late President Joseph F. Smith when some brethren were asking him to approve a map showing the exact landing place of Lehi and his company. President Smith declined to officially approve the map, saying that the Lord had not yet revealed it, and that if it were officially approved and afterwards found to be in error, it would affect the faith of the people. (George D. Pyper, Associate Editor) [The Instructor, Vol. 73, April, 1938, #4, 160.]

This is another example of the difference between the New York Cumorah and the rest of the geography. I addressed this one in the same post linked to under President Cannon. There I observed:

In 1899, nine years after President Cannon published his comment about Book of Mormon geography, President Joseph F. Smith published Letter VII in the Improvement Era. This demonstrates that, from the perspective of the First Presidency, teaching that Cumorah is in New York is consistent with neutrality on the rest of Book of Mormon geography. That position has also been explained by other prophets.

This dichotomy between the New York Cumorah and the rest of Book of Mormon geography has been so well established by so many of the prophets that it is inexcusable to continue to conflate the two separate issues.

President Anthony W. Ivins
There is a great deal of talk about the geography of the Book of Mormon. Where was the land of Zarahemla? Where was the City of Zarahemla? and other geographic matters. It does not make any difference to us. There has never been anything yet set forth that definitely settles that question. So, the Church says we are just waiting until we discover the truth. All kinds of theories have been advanced. I have talked with at least half a dozen men that have found the very place where the City of Zarahemla stood, and notwithstanding the fact that they profess to be Book of Mormon students, they vary a thousand miles apart in the places they have located. We do not offer any definite solution. As you study the Book of Mormon keep these things in mind and do not make definite statements concerning things that have not been proven in advance to be true. [Conference Report, April 1929, 15-16.]

When read in context, President Ivins also emphasizes the difference between the New York Cumorah and the rest of the geography. One year previously, in the April 1928 General Conference, President Ivins specifically discussed the New York Cumorah as the location of Mormon's depository of Nephite records, but the Correlation Department never tells people about that sermon.

I addressed this point here: http://www.lettervii.com/2017/01/the-hill-cumorah-by-president-anthony-w.html

Matthew Cowley
I would like to bear my testimony to you about the book which you are studying in the Relief Society, The Book of Mormon. I know nothing about archaeology. I have not studied the maps which apparently relate to The Book of Mormon, the travels of the Lehites, the Lamanites, and so forth. I know very little about the outside evidences of The Book of Mormon, but I have a testimony of the divinity of this book, and that testimony has come to me from within the two covers of the book itself.      
To me, archaeology, and all that archaeologists discover, which may in a way prove the genuineness of the book-these discoveries are lost in the spirit of the book itself, and if you can't find a testimony within the covers of this book, there is no need to look elsewhere. (Matthew Cowley Speaks, 110)

Again, Elder Cowley is talking about the rest of the geography, not the New York Cumorah. 

Mark E. Petersen

We have had speculation, for instance, on the part of some with respect to Book of Mormon geography, and it is plain, unadulterated speculation and not doctrine. And if a General Authority has speculated on Book of Mormon geography he did not represent the view of the Church while doing so. [, “Revelation,” address to religious educators, 24 August 1954. (in charge to religious educators, 2nd ed. 1982, 137]

This is one of the most egregious examples of disinformation possible. Notice that, as with Elder Lee, the Correlation Department scoured obscure sources to try to justify its promotion of M2C. It ended up with a statement in a 1954 private meeting that is very difficult to find if you like to check sources. 

But surely the Department knows that Elder Petersen specifically taught the New York Cumorah in General Conference in 1978. 

The Department never quotes Elder Petersen's General Conference address. They don't want members of the Church to even know about it. Instead, they use this obscure quotation from 1954 against Elder Petersen himself!

 Here's what Elder Petersen said in General Conference: "Moroni's father was commander of the armies of this ancient people, known as Nephites. His name was Mormon. The war of which we speak took place here in America some four hundred years after Christ. As the fighting neared its end, Mormon gathered the remnant of his forces about a hill which they called Cumorah, located in what is now the western part of the state of New York... When finished with his record, Moroni was to hide it up in that same Hill Cumorah which was their battlefield. It would come forth in modern times as the Book of Mormon, named after Moroni's father, the historian who compiled it."

By using the quotation from a 1954 private meeting, the Departments wants members of the Church to believe that Elder Petersen was engaged in "unadulterated speculation" when he spoke about the New York Cumorah in General Conference in 1978. That is inexcusable.
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There are plenty more examples of the Brethren teaching the New York Cumorah, none of which the Correlation Department allows to be published in Church materials. By now, readers of this blog should know about Joseph Fielding Smith, LeGrand Richards, Marion G. Romney, Brigham Young, Heber C. Kimball, Wilford Woodruff, and others.

But if your only source of information is material approved by the Correlation Department, you will never learn what the prophets have taught about the Hill Cumorah. 

As I said at the outset, I suspect that most Correlation Department employees actually do not know what the Brethren have actually taught about the New York Cumorah. It has come to my attention that very few people in the Church even know Letter VII exists, let alone that President Cowdery explained it was a fact that the final battles took place in New York.

Even those who know about Letter VII don't realize Joseph had it copied into his personal history and had it republished in every Church-related publication during his lifetime.

One explanation of the Correlation Department's misleading claims in this document is therefore ignorance. You can decide whether that is more or less likely an explanation than the intentional promotion of M2C.

Regardless of the reason, I've reached these conclusions:

This document that the Correlation Department sends to Church members who inquire about Book of Mormon geography intentionally obfuscates the truth by omitting (censoring) what Church leaders have actually taught about the New York Cumorah.

The Department is pursing its agenda through BYU/CES so that, starting from an early age, the youth of the Church will never learn what the prophets have taught about the Hill Cumorah in New York.

The obvious problem is this: the Correlation Department cannot completely censor the teachings of the prophets about the New York Cumorah because members of the Church (especially the youth), as well as nonmember investigators, can easily find these teachings on the Internet. 

When they do discover what the prophets have taught, people are dismayed when they realize how the Department has so completely misled them.

Fortunately, Letter VII itself is in the Joseph Smith Papers. Jesus the Christ and Articles of Faith are widely available. So are the conference talks.

That hasn't kept the Department from trying, though. I've previously discussed how the Department has misled Church members by censoring the Wentworth Letter. http://bookofmormonwars.blogspot.com/2017/07/the-official-position-of-church-part-1.html

Now they're doing the same with Church history generally, as we saw in the April 2018 Ensign.

The M2C intellectuals have been very clever and successful in promoting their theories, but it is not inevitable that M2C will prevail.

Here's hoping that the Correlation Department will abandon the M2C course and return to the New York Cumorah, the course that Joseph Smith and Oliver Cowdery established when they launched the Church.

Let's also hope that someday BYU/CES will stop teaching the youth by using fantasy maps based on the M2C interpretation of the text that repudiates the prophets.
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* I think we don't know the rest of the geography because of a combination of these factors: (i) we've ignored what Joseph Smith taught; (ii) in recent decades LDS scholars have rejected what Joseph taught; (iii) these scholars have developed an interpretation of the text designed to fit only Mesoamerica (volcanoes, pyramids, tapirs, etc.); (iv) the early European settlers destroyed most of the ancient sites and burial grounds in the U.S.; and (v) there are still so many ancient sites in the U.S. that match the descriptions in the Book of Mormon that it is impossible to choose among them with any certainty.

**Throughout this blog, I'm referring to the Correlation Department, meaning Church employees who review material, not the Correlation Committee, which includes Church leaders.

***Historical detail. According to my database, the first use of this phrase was in an unsigned letter published in the March 1834 Evening and Morning Star in Kirtland (online here). According to the notes in the Joseph Smith Papers, "Joseph Smith and other Church of Christ leaders in Kirtland prepared this installment for publication." Oliver was the Editor of the paper. Joseph used the phrase when he wrote his letter to Emma in June 1834. Later, others also used it, including W.W. Phelps, Parley P. Pratt, Benjamin Winchester. The phrase "divine authenticity" also appears in the anonymous 1842 Times and Seasons article about M2C. Winchester used the phrase in his book History of the Priesthood, which he was working on about the same time as the anonymous articles appeared.

Monday, April 2, 2018

Conference thoughts - April 2018

Naturally, everyone is talking about the change in the Priesthood quorums and ministering, which are awesome. Because this blog focuses on Book of Mormon issues, I see three elements in the conference that are directly relevant.

Recall that the M2C* intellectuals have two main excuses for rejecting Letter VII and all the other prophets and apostles who have re-affirmed the New York Cumorah. As you consider these, recall what Elder Andersen said Saturday morning: "Don't be surprised if at times your personal views are not initially in harmony with the teachings of the Lord's prophet.... Some will try to overly dissect the prophet's words. struggling to determine what is his prophetic voice, and what is his personal opinion." He quoted President Nelson as saying, "My philosophy is to stop putting question marks behind the prophet’s statements and put exclamation points instead." 

It is inexplicable to me how casually and adamantly the M2C intellectuals reject the words of the prophets and apostles about the New York Cumorah, but even more puzzling is how many Church members follow these intellectuals.

Here are the M2C arguments and how I saw them addressed in this Conference.

BYU fantasy map of the
Book of Mormon, teaching
the prophets are wrong
1. "It was their opinion, and they were wrong." If you know BYU/CES employees who advocate M2C or the fantasy maps of the Book of Mormon, ask them about Letter VII. Many of them will claim they never heard of it. I've met long-time BYU/CES people who actually never had heard of Letter VII, thanks to the ongoing suppression efforts of the M2C intellectuals.

But if they have heard of Letter VII, they will tell you that Letter VII was merely President Cowdery's opinion, and he was wrong. They will tell you that Joseph Smith passively accepted this false tradition when Letter VII was copied into his personal history and republished multiple times with Joseph's permission/direction. 

They will tell you that when James E. Talmage wrote Articles of Faith (a book published by the Church itself), he was wrong, too. They will tell you that members of the First Presidency speaking in General Conference were wrong, along with the various Apostles who also taught that Cumorah was in New York. 

You should ask these M2C intellectuals why they teach that all these prophets and apostles were wrong. In response, they'll tell you Cumorah cannot be in New York because it has to be in Mesoamerica. It's purely circular reasoning. 

[Note: most CES/BYU/Church employees have been trained to repeat some stock answers such as Cumorah's geology as a drumlin and why the text never mentions snow, all of which I've addressed on this blog and none of which have nothing to do with why the M2C intellectuals reject the prophets.] 

Bottom line: according to the M2C intellectuals, all these Church leaders were merely expressing their opinions, and the prophets and apostles were wrong because the M2C intellectuals know better than the prophets and apostles.

This includes BYU/CES teachers currently teaching Book of Mormon classes to our youth. Imagine the youth learning that the teachings of the prophets about the New York Cumorah were merely their "opinions." 
This rationalization is precisely what President Benson warned against when he observed that "The learned may feel the prophet is only inspired when he agrees with them, otherwise the prophet is just giving his opinion—speaking as a man." 
https://www.lds.org/manual/teachings-of-presidents-of-the-church-ezra-taft-benson/chapter-11-follow-the-living-prophet?lang=eng

This selective repudiation of the prophets has been discussed throughout the scriptures, and it was reiterated in this weekend's General Conference.

2. "We don't go back more than 30 years." If you wonder why you have never heard about Letter VII or the teachings of the prophets and apostles about the New York Cumorah, ask some BYU/CES employees. They will tell you they don't go back more than 30 years to quote from General Authorities, except in the case of Presidents of the Church, and then only to quote what Presidents have said while President. This is because they know that the New York Cumorah was clearly and unambiguously declared from at least 1835 through General Conference in 1975 and 1978. (That was 40 years ago now, but they started this 30-year rule some years ago.)

What did we learn from this Conference about these twin pillars of M2C?

1. Opinion excuse. Elder Anderson specifically mentioned the "it's just their opinion" rationale. He quoted President Nelson but didn't quote President Benson in his remarks, although perhaps President Benson's teaching may appear in the published footnotes.

2. 30 years excuse. The Brethren went back to the original revelations to explain the change in the Priesthood quorums. President Oaks quoted Joseph F. Smith, who published Letter VII in the Improvement Era when he was editor in 1899.  Other prophets and apostles from the past were also quoted. The arbitrary BYU/CES 30-year rule doesn't apply to the Brethren speaking in General Conference because Church leaders want members of the Church to know what their predecessors taught, and they consider those teachings relevant and important today.

In my view, the rationalizations of the M2C intellectuals were repudiated in this General Conference. IOW, we saw the repudiation of the M2C intellectuals who repudiate the prophets.
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At the outset, I mentioned three elements. The third is the issue of ministering. 

Disbelief in the Book of Mormon is a major obstacle for activation and missionary work. Yet M2C puts faithful members (and missionaries) in the position of contradicting the prophets and apostles while explaining the Book of Mormon and all the M2C materials published through the Correlation Department (as well as the visitors centers). It's an inherently contradictory approach.

Since M2C became established around 1980, the M2C intellectuals have largely succeeded in suppressing the teachings about the New York Cumorah. But days of suppression and censorship are over, thanks to the Internet (and the Joseph Smith Papers if you look hard enough).

Joseph Smith himself recognized the importance of actual evidence when he recounted "the history of the Book of Mormon" while passing through Ohio, Indiana, and Illinois, which he said were "the plains of the Nephites." He described "roving over the mounds of that once beloved people of the Lord, picking up their skulls & their bones, as a proof of its divine authenticity."

If Joseph thought "proof of its divine authenticity" was important during his lifetime, why would it not be now? The answer is simple: because the M2C intellectuals have persuaded so many people that the "best evidence" of the Book of Mormon contradicts the teachings of the prophets. That's why the Correlation Department diverts attention from the issue, as I'll explain tomorrow.

Ironically, the best evidence supports the prophets, but the M2C intellectuals are too invested in their theory to recognize this evidence.

Naturally, the M2C intellectuals will observe that the topic of the New York Cumorah was not specifically addressed. But the New York Cumorah has been repeatedly taught by Church leaders, including in General Conference, and has never been modified, changed, or even questioned by any member of the Twelve or First Presidency. 

The Brethren don't have to respond to every theory raised by the intellectuals, whether it is M2C or another topic. Instead, it is the M2C intellectuals who should be replacing the question marks they place after the words of the prophets with exclamation marks.

When the entire Church is united on the course Joseph and Oliver established regarding the "proof of the divine authenticity" of the Book of Mormon, ministering to the people (members and nonmembers) will be much more effective.
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Many people don't realize that President Nelson and President Oaks were originally called to the Quorum of the Twelve Apostles at the same time in April 1984. President Spencer W. Kimball called them to fill vacancies caused by the deaths of Elders LeGrand Richards and Mark E. Petersen.

The latter two Apostles both specifically taught that Cumorah was in New York. 
LeGrand Richards: "It was at this time that Mormon deposited in the Hill Cumorah all the records that had been entrusted to him except a few plates that he gave to his son Moroni. (See Mormon 6.) About A.D. 420, Moroni placed these plates with those his father, Mormon, had already deposited in the hill. (See Moroni 10:1-2.)" A Marvelous Work and a Wonder, p. 73.
Mark E. Petersen: As the fighting neared its end, Mormon gathered the remnant of his forces about a hill which they called Cumorah, located in what is now the western part of the state of New York.... When finished with the record, Moroni was to hide it up in that same Hill Cumorah which was their battlefield. It would come forth in modern times as the Book of Mormon, named after Moroni’s father, the historian who compiled it... His people were Americans, too. His words constituted a people-to-people message, ancient Americans speaking to modern Americans. https://www.lds.org/general-conference/1978/10/the-last-words-of-moroni?lang=eng

It's unimaginable to me that either President Nelson or President Oaks would contradict the two Apostles whose deaths caused the vacancies in the Quorum that President Kimball called them to fill. For that matter, it was President Kimball's counselor in the First Presidency, President Marion G. Romney, who delivered the one of the most specific and forceful declarations about Cumorah in New York since Letter VII itself (quoted below).

For more historical background on the Apostles, go here: 
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Chronology_of_the_Quorum_of_the_Twelve_Apostles_(LDS_Church)#1980s
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Elder Anderson quoted from Ezekiel 33 regarding the role of the prophets as watchmen and the responsibility of those who hear the prophets to heed their warning. 

On this blog we've reviewed the warnings from prior prophets and apostles. Joseph Fielding Smith warned that the two-Cumorahs theory would cause members of the Church to become confused and disturbed in their faith. 

Marion G. Romney warned that the covenant upon "this land" remains in place, as demonstrated by the destruction of two great nations at Cumorah: "In the western part of the state of New York near Palmyra is a prominent hill known as the “hill Cumorah.” (Morm. 6:6.) On July twenty-fifth of this year, as I stood on the crest of that hill admiring with awe the breathtaking panorama which stretched out before me on every hand, my mind reverted to the events which occurred in that vicinity some twenty-five centuries ago—events which brought to an end the great Jaredite nation." 

Think about these and related warnings as you read the passage quoted by Elder Andersen.
https://www.lds.org/scriptures/ot/ezek/33.4-6,8?lang=eng&clang=eng#p3

1 Again the word of the Lord came unto me, saying,

2 Son of man, speak to the children of thy people, and say unto them, When I bring the sword upon a land, if the people of the land take a man of their coasts, and set him for their watchman:

3 If when he seeth the sword come upon the land, he blow the trumpet, and warn the people;

4 Then whosoever heareth the sound of the trumpet, and taketh not warning; if the sword come, and take him away, his blood shall be upon his own head.

5 He heard the sound of the trumpet, and took not warning; his blood shall be upon him. But he that taketh warning shall deliver his soul.


6 But if the watchman see the sword come, and blow not the trumpet, and the people be not warned; if the sword come, and take any person from among them, he is taken away in his iniquity; but his blood will I require at the watchman’s hand.

7 ¶ So thou, O son of man, I have set thee a watchman unto the house of Israel; therefore thou shalt hear the word at my mouth, and warn them from me.

8 When I say unto the wicked, O wicked man, thou shalt surely die; if thou dost not speak to warn the wicked from his way, that wicked man shall die in his iniquity; but his blood will I require at thine hand.


9 Nevertheless, if thou warn the wicked of his way to turn from it; if he do not turn from his way, he shall die in his iniquity; but thou hast delivered thy soul.
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*M2C is the acronym for Mesoamerican/two-Cumorahs theory